23 June 2006

Finding Their Voice

It looks as though movers and shakers in the Democratic party have been taking heed of Truth Will Out's suggestions. As we were debating the various Iraq positions of potential '08 candidates, they were hashing it out on the senate floor. And as we were discussing what direction or issues to push, one likely candidate outside of the Senate started pushing big ideas:

John Edwards is pushing one issue that might satisfy both Peter Beinart & Michael Tomasky (and yancy & me). Poverty is on his mind and his pitch may make him a favorite of the labor movement. Watch Edwards talk about his plan here.

From the National Journal:

"Like JFK challenging America to land a man on the moon, a national goal of eradicating poverty will sharpen our focus, marshal our resources and at the end of the day, bring out our best."

“Besides, we need a goal. America will never get close to eliminating poverty until we set our sights and commit to try."



And not only does he have a big idea, he's letting it all hang out on Iraq:

Gordon Fischer, former chairman of the Iowa Democratic Party, who isn't aligned with any presidential campaign, says Edwards has ``great support'' in Iowa. ``He has phoned folks here and e-mailed folks here and done guest editorials in the Des Moines Register,'' Fischer said. ``He is working it. That pays off.''

Fischer said the Iraq war is very important to the Democratic activists who dominate the Iowa caucuses, and ``Edwards' apology made a big difference to Democrats here.''

Fischer was referring to a Nov. 13, 2005, opinion piece Edwards wrote for the Washington Post that began, ``I was wrong.'' He went on to say that his 2002 Senate vote authorizing President George W. Bush to use force in Iraq was a mistake, and ``I take responsibility for that mistake.''

Yesterday, Edwards called for the immediate withdrawal of 40,000 U.S. troops from Iraq. ``We need to be getting out,'' Edwards said in the interview. He said all combat troops should be withdrawn ``within 12 to 18 months.'' - Bloomberg news.

Senate Dems Speak Out

Last week the Democrats were trapped in a phony House debate on Iraq. This week, Senate Democrats took advantage of the unpopular war by uniting under the broad policy of what I'll call "Something's got to give." There were many more votes for Carl Levin's resolution which set no dates for a withdrawal/re-deployment than there were for John Kerry's amendment which stated the troops should be home within a year.

There were compelling cases made on both sides, and much of the media is playing up the divisions in the party. But I think this week has been good for Democrats. Cards are being laid on the table, positions are being tested, and the floor debates have put strong criticism of the war in the spotlight:

"The Republicans in the Senate stand alone in insisting on 'no plan and no end,' " Harry Reid said."

"“Democrats have a plan to begin to leave Iraq, but leave with our interests intact – it is not simply a phased withdrawal. The Administration has no plan. All they are offering is more of the same. Democrats have an end game, Republicans still have an open-ended commitment.

“There may be differences among Democrats, but that’s a much better place to be than where Republicans are: united behind the President in a failed policy.”
- Joe Biden

"I share many of the goals set forth in the Kerry Amendment. We should send a clear message to the Iraqis that we won't be there forever, and that by next year our primary role should be to conduct counter-insurgency actions, train Iraqi security forces, and provide needed logistical support. . . No amount of spin or photo opportunities can change the bottom line: this war has been poorly conceived and poorly managed by the White House, and that is why it has been so poorly received by the American people. And it's troubling to already see Karl Rove in New Hampshire, treating this as a political attack opportunity instead of a major national challenge around which to rally the country." - Barack Obama

"For three years, Congress has played political games while the war in Iraq has gone on unchecked and unending. With the administration’s failure to offer a coherent or effective strategy in Iraq, it is long past time for Congress to offer a plan to redeploy our troops so we can give Iraq its best chance at stability, and refocus on al Qaeda and the terrorist networks that threaten the security of all Americans.

We must redeploy to succeed – and we will put this national security imperative to a test in the United States Senate this week. . . Our amendment recognizes the need to keep an over-the-horizon military presence in the Middle East to fight al Qaeda and its affiliates and protect regional security interests. Only troops essential to finishing the job of training Iraqi forces, conducting targeted counter-terrorist operations and protecting U.S. facilities and personnel should remain inside Iraq."
- John Kerry

Redeploy to succeed. Sounds like a good policy to me.

I think this debate puts Democrats on the side of most voters. Most of us don't know whether we should quickly withdraw, re-deploy, or otherwise alter our policy. But most want the policy to change. I don't think Democrats will be punished at the ballot box for not having a clear bumper-sticker solution. But elected Dems have to get their hands dirty and get in the debate and carve out some space on this.

The '06 election can be about change in Iraq. We can unite on more details under a specific candidate in '08. I know most of the media isn't pushing this angle, but this is the right debate for the moment and I think will ultimately do the party good.

Paul Begala agrees:

"If anyone tells you the solution to Iraq is easy or obvious, they’re a liar or a fool (a false choice in the case of our president). So why not feature the debate? At least someone is debating what to do.

The fact is the American people want a new direction in Iraq, and the Democrats offer several. The Republicans, on the other hand, offer nothing more than a four-word strategy: more of the same.

Every time the GOP says “cut and run,” Democrats should say, “rubber stamp.”"


On the heels of white house press secretary Tony Snow's unfortunate WWII comparisons, let me trot out a few FDR quotes that seem apt in the Iraq debate:

"There are many ways of going forward, but only one way of standing still."

"One thing is sure. We have to do something. We have to do the best we know how at the moment... If it doesn't turn out right, we can modify it as we go along."


I've been skeptical of Hillary Clinton as an '08 nominee, but I'll give her the last word on this as she best sums up my feelings on the Democrats this week:

"I want to start by saying that although unity is important, it is not the most important value. It is, I think, a tribute to the Democratic party at this moment in time that we are honestly and openly struggling with a lot of the difficult issues facing our country. We just finished a debate about the way forward in Iraq. It turned out not to be a debate between the parties because the other party has made a decision to blindly follow the president, to ask no questions, to raise no concerns. My friend Jane Harman here in the front row, who has been a leader in our party on national security issues, has been raising hard questions while her counterpart is basically just in the amen corner for the Bush administration.

So I think that the Democrats may have somewhat different views about how we succeed in Iraq, but we are together unified in fulfilling our constitutional responsibility to engage in a legitimate debate, to ask the difficult issues and to offer honorable, responsible positions."
- Hillary Clinton

12 Comments:

At 26 June, 2006 09:18, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just like Hillary to steal my talking points. Damn those triangulating Clintons!

Hillary is gesturing towards the hard-core antiwar crowd which is beginning to rebel against her, the same way it is rebelling against Lieberman in CT and Cantwell in WA. It's unfortunate to see Bush's war become a wedge issue dividing Democrats.

But a bigger wedge is developing within the GOP over immigration. The hard-core right wing wants to build walls and deport 11 million Hispanics, and I mean they REALLY want it--this has become a make-or-break issue for a huge constituency. It seems to have been a factor in Bilbray's CA House victory.

This is exactly the kind of issue that Karl Rove normally feasts on, based as it is on reactionary conservatism, fear of the "other," and raw emotion rather than reason. But Rove works for the GOP establishment, whose most valued constituency remains the cheap-labor-loving WSJ conservatives. (Let's also allow the possibility that Bush and friends genuinely believe that mass deportation is an untenable policy and recognize that the Hispanic voting bloc is here to stay).

Currently, Rep. Chris Cannon in UT, who is considered fairly right-wing to begin with, is in danger of being ousted in his primary for being insufficiently pure on immigration. His challenger, who has the support of Rep. Tom Tancredo's Team America PAC ("F--k yeah!"), states openly his belief that Satan has deliberately disrupted his fundraising activities, yet this nut is in a dead heat with Cannon, who has the President's full and public support.

No wonder Rove has decided the splinter issue of the year must be Iraq, which at first glance would not seem to be a GOP winner. Newsweek's Jonathan Alter suggests a few ways the Dems can fight back.

 
At 26 June, 2006 10:15, Anonymous Anonymous said...

That Utah primary is tomorrow, by the way--in the interests of newsworthiness.

Where the hell is YHD?

 
At 26 June, 2006 11:05, Blogger Unknown said...

Apologies, Messrs Lee, for my silence of late.

International politics and international sporting events have me quite distracted these days.

For example, Mexico's election (Sunday the 2nd) is quite intriguing—and arguably more so than a Utah primary. My money and my heart lie with Obrador, if you're wondering. His platform seems laudable, in particular his focus on health care and education; and his chances look good.

And don't get me started on the joys of futebol (I'll spell like the Brazilians do, in deference to their lovely mastery). . . .

In any case, I do agree that Edwards is on the right track—here's hoping his momentum builds, at least enough to keep some focus on poverty.

As for the Democrats and the war, I loved waking up this morning to hear that Gen. George Casey, top US military commander in Iraq, had drafted a troop withdrawal plan remarkably like that proposed by Democrats last week.

Even NPR's Juan Williams, who has never been afraid to support the president, agreed that Gen. Casey's proposal sounded remarkably similar to the Democrat's plan—not a bad Monday at all.

 
At 26 June, 2006 14:20, Anonymous Anonymous said...

International politics and sports have you distracted from blogging? I thought those were your favorite blog topics.

Is today really a good day? The administration is gearing up to prosecute the NYT for the sin of reporting on its surveillance activities. Bush calls their article on banking surveillance "disgraceful," Rep. Peter King (R-NY) calls it "treasonous," and Tony Snow has this to say:

"Certainly nobody is going to deny First Amendment rights. But the New York Times and other news organizations ought to think long and hard about whether a public’s right to know in some cases might override somebody’s right to live."

We're right back to Ari Fleischer in 2001 telling us to "watch what we say," except this time the administration appears ready to back up the implied threat.

Also today, the Supreme Court upheld the KS death penalty, a major victory for right-wing poster boy Phill Kline, who argued the case. In dissent, David Souter wrote that the KS death penalty statute was "obtuse by any moral or social measure." Samuel Alito broke the tie in the 5-4 ruling, although he was not present for arguments.

So no, on balance I'm going to say this has not been such a good day. But at least it marked Yancy's return to the blogosphere...

As for Utah, that race is not important in and of itself. As Jon Stewart said last week, the House of Representatives is already "full of crazy jackasses" as it is (a Democrat is not likely to win this district no matter how crazy the GOP nominee is). But it is an indication of the far right's intensity on immigration, which could hurt Democrats (as I think it did in CA 50) if it wakes the right out of its stupor and brings them out to the polls in November.

In the long run, however, it could benefit the Democrats if the GOP is pulled to the far right on the issue and the rapidly expanding Hispanic bloc begins to see Tom Tancredo and Lou Dobbs as the face of the Republican Party rather than Spanish-speaking, immigrant-loving Bush.

 
At 27 June, 2006 07:56, Anonymous Anonymous said...

...and Tuesday may be no better than Monday was, as the Senate is currently debating a flag-burning amendment. As we speak Dianne Feinstein, of all people, is on the floor pontificating on the need for "flag protection."

Protection from WHAT? Exactly how is this inanimate symbol in any danger whatsoever?

Yet because of turncoats like Feinstein and Hillary, the Senate is dangerously close to the votes it needs to essentially overthrow the First Amendment.

Hopefully the count will stay where it was, and this ridiculous farce will be over by the end of the day. Still, it just STUNS me that anyone, (R) or (D), could so blithely trample over the First Amendment, to "protect" a symbol, which by definition cannot be defiled and therefore cannot be protected.

To again quote Kent Brockman: "There's only one word for that, ladies and gentlemen. Idiocy."

 
At 27 June, 2006 11:00, Blogger Unknown said...

Just to be clear: the Senate cannot itself amend the constitution. Even if they were to get the 67 votes, 38 states would still need to ratify it . . .

I suppose that's what's most offensive to me in all of this (as with the marriage business)--they know it's almost guaranteed to fail, and yet they insist on wasting space on my blog with this hooey.

Hope you have an umbrella, and perhaps a raft, DGL.

 
At 27 June, 2006 11:33, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd say the most offensive thing about this amendment is that it very well MIGHT pass. Given public polling on the issue (as I've cited elsewhere on this blog), I don't think they'd have much problem ratifying it in the states.

I should further clarify that the amendment doesn't itself outlaw anything--it merely gives Congress the power to outlaw flag burning after the Supremes declared such bans unconstitutional in the '80s. So this is really as much about sticking it to those "activist judges," another favorite GOP scapegoat, as it is about anything else.

Sorry to "waste space" on the blog with all this "hooey." I hope the vote today or tomorrow will render the discussion moot, but I'm a bit nervous about it.

I wish the ghastly weather had kept the Congress from meeting this week, if this is the best use they can find for their time. As for me, I've undergone a few soakings and some rail delays, but nothing major.

I can't believe I'm promoting Jay Leno again, but I noticed this bit from last night quoted in Hotline:

"Heavy rains caused so much flooding in Washington, D.C. today that they had to close down the National Archives ... where they keep the Constitution. ... Luckily the Bush administration isn't using the Constitution anymore."

 
At 27 June, 2006 11:58, Blogger Christopher said...

Leno was a good standup, and I'm not surprised to still see a sharp joke make it to the monologue now and then.

But his interviewing stupid people on the street bits . . .

here's james wolcott on the right wing vs. the nytimes:

"Gripes of Wrath
Posted by James Wolcott

In their apoplectic fury over The New York Times's publishing a front page expose of the Terrorist Finance Tracking Program, the White House and their lackeys may be backing themselves into a corner.

Consider what's happened in the last 24 hours. Bush has called the disclosure "disgraceful," looking far angrier (or fake-angrier) than he ever did about the Katrina fuckup. Cheney, of course, released some deep-stomach rumbles. Tony Snow made his displeasure known. And in a cloud of dust rode the Ox-Bow posse, fashioning a necktie for Bill Keller and company. Congressman Peter King, the sort of bullyboy who would have been right at home planted next to Joe McCarthy during the Red Scare, urged criminal prosecution. Today alone I've seen Newt Gingrich employing his full-press sneer to decry the "pathology" of the Times is revealing security secrets, Hugh "The Iceman Cometh" Hewitt demagoguing the issue on CNN, the blue glint in his eyes demanding retribution. The Fox News All Stars haven't yet convened, but I'm certain they're return with a guilty verdict.* The right blogosphere is similarly inflamed. Michelle Malkin and sundry molluscs at PJ media's amateur hour want to release the hounds. The National Review, stepping forward into the chamber with a heavy heart, grumbles, "The administration should withdraw the newspaper’s White House press credentials because this privilege has been so egregiously abused, and an aggressive investigation should be undertaken to identify and prosecute, at a minimum, the government officials who have leaked national-defense information." I didn't bother listening to talk radio, but I'm sure they're baying for blood between commercials for bladder control.

What a gummy uproar. One so loud and ferocious that there almost has to be some follow-through, otherwise you are going to have one frustrated batch of highly indignants. They want the administration to show the Times and the rest of the press who's boss. The neocon contingent is already dismayed with the tiptoeing around Iran's nuclear program, with Ledeen and Perle lodging protests. If the pushback against the Times peters out, if the posse disbands shortly after mounting up, the White House is going to look weak in the bugged-out eyes of its mutant defenders. It'll be interesting to see if the controversy builds or fades over the next few days, and whether or not the Times-bashers will be compelled to call their own bluff. In the meantime, whatever one thinks of the Times's performance leading up to Iraq and the Judith Miller debacle, the ugly threatmongering and barking ("For the Times to release information about secret operations and methods is treasonous”) of Peter King shouldn't go unchallenged. Let him climb the Empire State Building if he wants to work off steam.

*They sure enough did. Fox News All Star and full-time schmendrick Mort Kondracke said, more in anger than sorrow, "I think they [The New York Times] has forgotten that New York is the place 9/11 happened." Only a Beltway coward could be that obtuse."

 
At 27 June, 2006 11:58, Blogger Unknown said...

You're right; I apologize for the hooey comment; guess I'm taking out my distaste for the Senate on you, since they won't take my calls. . . .

That Leno quote is excellent. (A sentence I never thought I'd author.)

Here's to staying dry.

 
At 27 June, 2006 14:58, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oops. Contrary to my earlier tirade, Hillary is NOT voting for the flag burning amendment (I should have remembered--I think you mentioned that in an earlier thread, CR).

She is instead signing on to the Durbin substitute amendment, which would "prohibit damaging the flag on federal land by someone intending a breach of the peace or intimidation of another person." (AP).

In other words, she gets to wrap herself in the flag for political purposes while enacting a law so toothless that it would be a miracle if any flag desecrators were ever prosecuted under it. This law would be a waste of paper but at least would probably not offend the 1st Amendment ... (It also contains a provision outlawing Fred Phelps-like funeral protests, which actually could raise constitutional concerns, but we'll save those for another day).

Ah, Hillary, I've underestimated you again! Anyone see a triangle forming here?

 
At 28 June, 2006 07:06, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Crises averted. The flag amendment falls by one vote, as predicted, and Cannon survives in Utah. This latter event may not be entirely good news from a progressive point of view, but at least it indicates that the rabid anti-immigration bloc is not necessarily going to decide the outcome in November.

It may be out of line to ask this, but what's up with the female Democrats and flag burning? Feinstein, Landrieu, Lincoln, and Stabenow all crossed over to vote "yea," while Hillary and Boxer (I believe) both signed on to the Durbin compromise.

 
At 28 June, 2006 07:59, Blogger Christopher said...

from tapped:

GUTSY. Note that on the flag-burning amendment, Robert Byrd voted against.

Even though he’s from red West Virginia. Even though Jay Rockefeller voted yea. Even though he’s involved in a potentially tough reelection campaign against a simian blowhard from my hometown named John Raese who will demagogue this to death. Even though virtually every other Democrat facing an election this year -- especially those from red states, and even one from a blue state (Bob Menendez) -- voted yeah. (The roll call is here.) Even though Byrd could have been the 67th and thus decisive vote in favor.

“Old Glory lives because the Constitution lives,” Byrd said. “We love that flag, but we love the guarantees of the Constitution more.” He’s willingly created a potentially difficult situation for himself because of an actual belief! Bravo.

--Michael Tomasky

 

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